Final research report, Systemic Thinking of Sustainable Communities, Aalto University, October 2010 (23 posts)

  • Profile picture of David Ing David Ing said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    Students have the option of e-mailing the final research report to the instructor, or blogging in public and posting links to the writing to this thread.

    There’s an option for students to have their writing pre-reviewed in advance of the November 1 deadline, if they’re willing to share their interim work with the world. Question and comments can also be posted to this thread.

  • Profile picture of David Ing David Ing said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    Just so you know that instructors shouldn’t be exempt from self-reflections and writing research reports, I’ve written my reflections on teaching the course at http://coevolving.com/blogs/index.php/archive/learning-about-teaching-systems-thinking-and-sustainability-course-in-finland/ .

    Maybe some students would like to leave comments on the blog post as suggestions for future improvement.

  • Profile picture of Gabriela Abdo Gabriela Abdo said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Hi David!
    I have been thinking what to write about. I have read a lot of information I can´t manage to write about everything and it´s driving me crazy… finally I chose a path but there is a possibility that I went in other direction than intended.
    Anyway, here is a link so you can preview my final paper.
    Thank you!

    http://systemic-thinking.blogspot.com/2010/10/are-architects-guilty.html

  • Profile picture of David Ing David Ing said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @gabuabdo Your writing on “are architects guilty” is an interesting question to tackle. I like the point at the end “architects are part of a system that generates bad architecture”, as a point of departure rather than hypothesis that you work your way through.

    If you have the time and energy to do some additional writing, I have some suggestions. (1) Follow Ackoff’s definition of systemic thinking, with the system that produces architecture as the “thing to be explained”, which then leads to the containing wholes (of which you’ve already mentioned some. This will lead you not only to stronger systems definition, but out of the reductive mode that you seem to have taken. You have recognized that there’s more to the practice of architecture than just the resulting building. (2) Consider the stakeholders in an architectural project, and how dialogue or conversations might be conducted to improve the probability of a successful end (however that is defined). (3) You cite Holling, but haven’t tried applying it. You may not get to a complete answer, but it’s worth reporting the thinking that you’ve done, and what additional thinking might be required to get to completion.

    You’re on a good path, so getting to an improved paper depends on how much time you have to work on it.

  • Profile picture of Gabriela Abdo Gabriela Abdo said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Hey David!

    I was not aware of your response!
    And I thought I was already too close to the deadline to ask for guidance, so I added a new article to my final essay.

    http://systemic-thinking.blogspot.com/2010/10/inclusive-architecture.html

    I appreciate your comments and will try to apply them for a better structuring of my text! (Although I think I do not have enough time to do that.)

  • Profile picture of David Ing David Ing said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @gabuabdo I enjoyed your amendment of ideas on inclusive architecture. You’ve incorporated systems thinking, on the expansive side, to a greater degree than your first writing on “are architects guilty?”.

    I’m less concerned about grading that I am about learning, so I’m happy to continue this discussion on your ideas up to the course deadlines and beyond.

    On your challenge that “architecture will never be sustainable”, I think that you’re selling the possibility for human endeavour a little bit short. In the Stewart Brand video on The Romance of Maintenance, there’s a recognition that all buildings degrade, but it’s possible to extend their lives if continual upkeep is planned and executed. This does not excuse the architects who design buildings that look best on day one and then get continually worse. In the spirit of “building the unfinished”, the architecture can be sustainable if designed as maintainable. The effort to maintain the built environment should be considerably less than the effort to tear it down and start over again. This makes buildings constructed with the ability to adapt to needs that change — Brand cites the longhouse form of the well-loved building at MIT — superior to those that are designed only for the present interests.

    The first section on inclusive architecture (which you call the blurry idea) is spot on to the key points of the CS0004 course. Thanks very much for this affirmation that the ideas are getting through! I’m satisfied that you’ve internalized the content of the course, and are applying the ideas. I encourage you to continue to develop these ideas, not for the purpose of getting credits in a class, but as contributions to the domain of architecture from the systems thinking literature.

    The second section on the anecdotal episode shows creativity in the use of your ideas. This is way beyond architecture as merely physical artifacts, and recognizes the human beings living, owning and transferring use of built environments.

    You can check with @katrilii and @astaffan if you need more formal writing to have successfully completed the course. From a knowledge perspective, you’ve demonstrated to me that you’re learning. I’m looking forward to potentially helping you develop these ideas further in the next course.

  • Profile picture of David Ing David Ing said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @olli I enjoyed reading the final research report that you uploaded to Dropbox. You seemed to like Jamshid Gharajedaghi, Gary Metcalf and Bela Banathy, and Buzz Holling’s writings the most.

    Just a clarify a question you had about function, structure and process …. In understanding a system, Gharajedaghi is right that all three are descriptions of a system, and changing one can change the others. (There’s the caution that Ackoff defines transformation as a change in function and structure, whereas reformation is a change only in structure, so expectations on the scope of change needs to be set appropriately). The simplest definitions has structure as an arrangement in space, and process as an arrangement in time. In an analogy to a glass window, most people would think of it as a structure that enclosed the interior of the house from an exterior environment. Others see that glass is actually a liquid that flows very slowly, so it’s really a process.

    You’ve hit the challenge of designing a system versus designing a system that learns, and the question as to how long your result will have to be sustainable. There’s always the opportunity for maintenance, so perhaps fewer resources up front and more along the way might be a feasible solution.

    On that theme, your frustrations with the group work represent a system that was designed for learning, rather than a system to produce a final result. I’m sorry to have to put students through this, but since we discussed Kant in the section on inquiring systems, you can appreciate that experience isn’t developed the same way as reason.

    I would like to accommodate your request on “horizontal interactions between systems of the same level” in the next course, but may not have time to get to it. @davidhawk has long recommended Angyal (1941), which I only myself read a few months ago (and now have @gmetcalf reading, so that we can discuss). If you would like to tackle that book as leisure reading over the holiday season, it’s an underpinning of the work on negotiated order.

    @katrilii and @astaffan , This student has completed the requirements for this course!

  • Profile picture of Mikko Ahlström Mikko Ahlström said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Hi David,

    I posted my final report on my blog:

    http://mikkoahlstrom.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/day-3-and-beyond/

    Best Regards,
    Mikko Ahlström

  • Profile picture of David Ing David Ing said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @jannesalovaara In your category of 10 blog posts, there are 5 that I don’t remember commenting on before, so I’ll focus on those.

    Your writing on vision of a failing system refers (unattributed) to the ideas from Timothy F. H. Allen and from Buzz Holling, since you’re dealing a lot with scale. You make a good point that diagnosis is a key challenge — in my day job, my colleagues and I agree that problem determination skills are often weak — and that if we’re looking at the wrong scale, that we may misperceive core issues. Mapping out (in the sense of the Witte Kerwin and Witte ignorance map), or having an unmappable situation (in the postnormal science of Jerry Ravetz) may or may be possible to helpful.

    On holistic life, I appreciate that you’ve “learned to love maybe”. Applying Jamshid Gharajedaghi’s writing towards psychology may not have been the way that he saw his work going, so you may be picking up on definitions that have greater generality than the domain on which he is focused, thereby demonstrating the generalizability potentially associated with systems thinking. I’m not familiar with Helene Shulman’s work, although a quick scan of the references brings up some familiar names in systems, e.g. Humberto Maturana and Gregory Bateson, and some other deeper thinkers (e.g. Carl Jung, Bruno Latour, Daniel Dennett, and Michel Foucault — that would take considerable depth in psychology to appreciate.

    On your wide open discussion of reductionism and holism, I’m reminded of presentations by Len Troncale who reminds us that analysis isn’t bad in itself, as a systems approach includes both synthesis and analysis. One criticism of some systems thinkers is that they’ve always got their heads in the clouds, so being down to earth and real isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

    Your writing on simply complex takes on the anticipatory systems of Robert Rosen. We would have to a conversation to determine if you’ve really got the spirit of Rosen’s modeling relation — the distinction between the real world, and a representation of it in an anticipatory system — which is really much deeper than we should be tackling in an introductory course!

    I followed through on your pointer to Bill Hicks “What is the the point to life”, with the amusement of those who want us to perceive the ride as one way or another.

    On sparkling shoes, we’re on a fine line when we study systems. I’ve heard that science is a search for better answers whereas philosophy is a search for better questions. We may have to adopt a systems philosophy to improve the science in systems.

    @katrilii and @astaffan , This student has completed the requirements for this course.

  • Profile picture of David Ing David Ing said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @mikkoahlstrom Your reflection on themes about (i) individuals and communities and (ii) immediate benefits and long-term success surfaces core issues that systems thinking tries to address.

    In Jamshid Gharjadaghi’s background knowledge is The Image by Kenneth Boulding, one of the fathers of the systems movement. You’re right that a shared image can be a prerequisite for collective action, and you’re also right that the shared image may not be sufficient.

    Finding commonality between your own work and methods as described by Ken Bausch and by Barton and Haslett is reassuring. Taking advantage of experience means that you might have chosen the same path either intuitively or based on parallel thinking. Those reference may provide you with the language so that you can describe the methods as you lead or teach others.

    The ability for a systems to learn, the scalability of the methods and nesting of adaptive cycles suggests that skills in a facilitator are helpful in redesigning systems, so that we can’t turn these activities over to a robot with a cookbook.

    The challenge of instant satisfaction and long term thinking is something that can be influenced by a cybernetic understanding (as you cite Stafford Beer). On a future study, perhaps you’ll follow through to the Viable System Model, also by Stafford Beer, as a way of diagnosing and potentially designing better systems.

    Your pessimism on human nature to change behaviour only when it’s too late is not uncommon, even amongst systems thinkers. Despite this dark future, human beings still have the capacity for hope, and thus continue to press forward even when the odds are stacked against us.

    @katrilii and @astaffan , This student has completed the final research report for the course.

  • Profile picture of tommi tommi said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    My blog: http://tommi78.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/day-3/

  • Profile picture of Anja-Lisa Hirscher Anja-Lisa Hirscher said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Hello, here is my final paper.
    Sorry for the bad formating…I hope it is still okey to read.

    http://anjalisa.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/systems-thinking-for-sustainable-communities/

  • Profile picture of Matti Liimatainen Matti Liimatainen said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Hi,

    Here is my final paper:

    http://www2.uiah.fi/~mliimata/projects/final-report/

  • Profile picture of Niamh Ni Mhorain Niamh Ni Mhorain said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Hey David,
    here’s a link to my research paper: http://niamh.kapsi.fi/blog/
    Thanks for all your comments so far!

  • Profile picture of Malin Bäckman Malin Bäckman said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Hi,
    Here is the link to my final paper.

    http://malinbackman.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/systems-thinking-as-a-facilitator-for-sustainable-development/

    Thank you for the course
    -Malin