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David Ing posted an update in the group
Systemicists: 1 year, 5 months agoOf interest probably to only the most hardcore systems philosophers, a new blog post at http://coevolving.com/blogs/index.php/archive/the-producer-product-relation-and-coproducers-in-systems-theory/ recapping Ackoff and Singer. (This provokes me to posit whether ”systems thinking” includes systems philosophy and systems science).
@toddbowers I’ve responded to your question on references on the blog entry. The writing is mine, the ideas may or may not borrowed.