Systems Community of Inquiry | David Ing | Activity http://syscoi.com/commons/members/daviding/activity/feed David Ing - Activity Feed Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:36:24 +0000 http://buddypress.org/?v=1.2.5.2 en http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1195/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Educators interested $10000USD for developing curriculum in Smarter Healthcare, Smarter Transportation and/or Smarter Cities should [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1195/ Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:51:58 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Educators interested $10000USD for developing curriculum in Smarter Healthcare, Smarter Transportation and/or Smarter Cities should be nominated to IBM by September 21. See http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/university/email/2010_Innovation_Awards.html .

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1194/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Noticed Hiroshi Deguchi from TiTech will be giving a talk on "Service Systems Science as [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1194/ Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:32:11 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Noticed Hiroshi Deguchi from TiTech will be giving a talk on "Service Systems Science as Flexible Component System" in Cambridge at http://talks.cam.ac.uk/talk/index/26031 . I hope that they're prepared the whirlwind that I've been seeing since http://isss.org/world/tokyo-2007-retrospective .

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1193/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: @davidhawk After our conversation on three maladaptive defenses (superficiality, segmentation and dissociation) from Emery and Trist [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1193/ Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:32:49 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: @davidhawk After our conversation on three maladaptive defenses (superficiality, segmentation and dissociation) from Emery and Trist 1973 "Towards a Social Ecology" and Angyal 1941 "Foundations for a Science of Personality", I located Bill Henderson's 1983 "Parallel Labor-Management Relations at http://repository.upenn.edu/dissertations/AAI8406671/ and now have a downloaded version from UMI Express. It may take some time to get through the 230 pages ... but I'm sure that a blog post will come out of all this.

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1185/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted a new activity comment]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1185/ Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:05:45 +0000 David Ing posted a new activity comment: @marceldouwedekker Thanks for the pointer to http://www.businessmodelhub.com . I see that it's Ning community, so perhaps @myersk and @phoenix will get some ideas on how online communities emerge/converge their thinking.

A quick look at the Business Model Innovation Hub doesn't reveal the systems thinking foundations to me. Perhaps I need to be pointed at them. I've generally been more comfortable with researchers who are more explicit about their foundations, e.g. Normann, Ramirez and Wallin, as I've described at http://coevolving.com/blogs/index.php/archive/value-creating-systems-and-business-models-systems-thinking-inside/ .


In reply to - Marcel Douwe Dekker posted an update: I have joined the Business Model Innovation Hub (http://www.businessmodelhub.com), initiated by Alex Osterwalder. A quite interesting contemporary initiative based on systems thinking. ]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1168/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted a new activity comment]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1168/ Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:53:37 +0000 David Ing posted a new activity comment: @davidhawk Since I've had a lot of graduate level economics classes, I found the Austrian school to be more compatible with my view on the systems sciences than other schools. I've heard about the breadth of researchers within the Austrian school -- Rothbard I've heard a bit, and Lachmann I don't know -- and from the Mises-Hayek-Kirzner lineage, I've like Hayek more than Kirzner, and have listened to Boettke podcasts describing Mises in ways that I don't like.

The Austrian school represents a big tent, and I'm hoping to find more linkages within the same ballpark (as opposed to economists who seem to be on an entirely separate planet).

As for the Tea Party, this could be a situation where the Austrian School is being used like the lamp post for the drunkard: more for support than for enlightenment. (As a Canadian, I'm somewhat removed from the inner turmoil of American politics).


In reply to - David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: via @mercatus WSJ profile on Austrian school of economics at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703418004575455911922562120.html# , with rejoinder by Peter Boettke at http://www.coordinationproblem.org/2010/08/some-clarifications.html clarifying the Mises-Hayek-Kirzner lineage . ]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1189/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Of interest probably to only the most hardcore systems philosophers, a new blog post at [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1189/ Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:21:34 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Of interest probably to only the most hardcore systems philosophers, a new blog post at http://coevolving.com/blogs/index.php/archive/the-producer-product-relation-and-coproducers-in-systems-theory/ recapping Ackoff and Singer. (This provokes me to posit whether "systems thinking" includes systems philosophy and systems science).

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1171/ <![CDATA[David Ing and Marcel Douwe Dekker are now friends]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1171/ Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:23:46 +0000 David Ing and Marcel Douwe Dekker are now friends

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1168/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: via @mercatus WSJ profile on Austrian school of economics at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703418004575455911922562120.html# , with rejoinder by [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1168/ Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:01:10 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: via @mercatus WSJ profile on Austrian school of economics at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703418004575455911922562120.html# , with rejoinder by Peter Boettke at http://www.coordinationproblem.org/2010/08/some-clarifications.html clarifying the Mises-Hayek-Kirzner lineage .

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1167/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: The bounty of salmon in the annual run in British Columbia reflects the challenges of [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1167/ Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:35:55 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: The bounty of salmon in the annual run in British Columbia reflects the challenges of complexity: (i) can science can effectively predict the number of salmon returning four years after birth, and (ii) are policy makers able to guide human activities in times of abundance as well as protect the species from endangerment in less prosperous times. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-sockeye-salmon-bounty-estimate-upped-to-30-million/article1688547/#

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1154/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted a new activity comment]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1154/ Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:38:25 +0000 David Ing posted a new activity comment: @stonecypher You're of the same mind as @nickmags13 , who has just been conducting a survey amongst ISSS members.

I came on a long time ago based on the ISSS Primer project, now at http://projects.isss.org/primer and the Principia Cybernetica at http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/ , both of which haven't been updated in recent years. In hard copy, the International Encyclopedia of Systems and Cybernetics at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Encyclopedia_of_Systems_and_Cybernetics is a landmark. All of these started simply, and gradually became more elaborate ... so maintaining simplicity is a challenge. Depth of content isn't an issue, so writing the concise introduction may require a different orientation and skills.


In reply to - John Stonecypher posted an update in the group Systemicists: One of my ambitions is to write a very concise and simple introduction to systems thinking for the sort of people who would never pick up something as thick/difficult as The Fifth Discipline. Does anything like that exist already? ]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1139/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted a new activity comment]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1139/ Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:34:00 +0000 David Ing posted a new activity comment: @stonecypher I got interested in David Easton due to ties back from former ISSS president Yong Pil Rhee (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yong_Pil_Rhee ) who was a student of Easton interested in peace studies.

In addition, I came across David Easton's name when @gmetcalf was doing research into John Bowlby (see http://isss.org/world/the-work-of-john-bowlby ), as they were both at the Center for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Studies, and used to walk to the office together.

Reading some of David Easton's writings in the library, it occurred to me that his perspective doesn't presume or require a democracy or a republic, so it's really a generalized model.


In reply to - John Stonecypher became a registered member ]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1139/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted a new activity comment]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1139/ Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:47:15 +0000 David Ing posted a new activity comment: @stonecypher Welcome to the group. I'm going to have to spend more time looking at the Systems Thinking in Politics mentioned in your profile, over at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Systems-Thinking-in-Politics/120375787985490 .
I'm not really a political type, more a researcher, so the closest I've gotten is David Easton (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Easton ) and "A systems analysis of political life", see http://books.google.com/books?id=vLKfQgAACAAJ .


In reply to - John Stonecypher became a registered member ]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1148/ <![CDATA[David Ing and John Stonecypher are now friends]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1148/ Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:06:01 +0000 David Ing and John Stonecypher are now friends

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1138/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Reading "A systems approach for transportation", from the Intelligent Transportation Society of America talk by [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1138/ Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:16:56 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Reading "A systems approach for transportation", from the Intelligent Transportation Society of America talk by Sam Palmisano of IBM, May 5, 2010, summary at http://asmarterplanet.com/blog/2010/05/a-systems-approach-to-rethinking-transportation-from-the-itsa-annual-conference.html and transcript at http://www.ibm.com/smarterplanet/us/en/transportation_systems/article/palmisano_itsa_speech.html . The language presents a clean systems perspective, I'd like to know who the scriptwriters are!

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1115/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted a new activity comment]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1115/ Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:13:02 +0000 David Ing posted a new activity comment: @alexander Yes, Gene Bellinger is active over here, too, as @phoenix. The difference between posting content on LinkedIn versus on SysCOI, is that your contributions on LinkedIn are theoretically only visible to only members of that specific group, whereas contributions to SysCoI.com are crawled by search engines on the open web. Strangely, the terms of service on LinkedIn disavows responsibility on republication of content, so the "walled garden" group doesn't really protect those who might think that they're having a dialogue in private.

My personal tact is to either be totally open on the Internet, except for those person-to-person messages more appropriate via e-mail. In e-mail, the intimacy of conversation is preserved by social ties and norms, rather than legalese.


In reply to - Alexander Laszlo posted an update: Just joined the Systems Thinking World group on FaceBook and thought it might be of interest to others, too - — From: Systems Thinking World Date: 17 August 2010 9:47:11 AM CDT To: ”Alexander Laszlo, Ph.D.” Subject: Welcome to Systems Thinking World LinkedIn Groups Group: Systems Thinking World Subject: Welcome to [...] ]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1133/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Mike Munger on Econtalk: "Impersonal cooperation" works better in the first world, where anonymous markets [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1133/ Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:43:28 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Mike Munger on Econtalk: "Impersonal cooperation" works better in the first world, where anonymous markets will start near 50/50 splits, as compared to cultures that rely on trust amongst families and clans where proposals are 99-1 . Podcast at http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2010/01/munger_on_many.html , text on highlights at about 35:12

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/941/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted a new activity comment]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/941/ Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:34 +0000 David Ing posted a new activity comment: @patterns The systems movement and systems community is broad, so the label of "systemicist" was chosen to bridge over people who might describe themselves as systems thinkers, systems scientists, systems theorists, systems practitioners, etc.

The four questions that you've asked would each have a different answer from people who might categorize themselves in different ways. You've got three "how" questions, which would tend to suggest that you're seeking an answer from a systems methodologist, and one "what" question which could be better answered by a systems scientist.


In reply to - David Ing posted an update: Feel free to invite others to SysCOI.com! I’ve blogged about this new community at http://coevolving.com/blogs/index.php/archive/systems-community-of-inquiry-online-social-networking-in-the-open/ . People already active on this web site won’t learn much from that. ]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1093/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted a new activity comment]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1093/ Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:37:51 +0000 David Ing posted a new activity comment: @toddbowers While the Hayek vs. Keynes video is entertaining, the people behind it are solid researchers. I've wanted to spend more time on the Austrian school of economics, of which F. A. Hayek is a core figure. In audio, try http://daviding.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/peter-boettke-austrian-economics-mp3-audio-econtalk-20071012/ , and see if that's comprehensible. (I have graduate level training in economics, so it wasn't a problem for me, and you can judge if this understandable to laymen).

The essential issue is one of aggregation. Many economists treat the whole economy,or major macroeconomic segments, as an entity. The Austrian school recognizes that the economy is made up of individuals with free will, so skepticism about the reasonableness of aggregation is at the core of the debate.


In reply to - David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Econstories.tv Hayek vs. Keynes rap video provokes me to think. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/1/8929/21462 . I find the Austrian school more systemic, and listen to http://econtalk.org regularly ]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1094/ <![CDATA[David Ing and Don Mikulecky are now friends]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1094/ Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:32:13 +0000 David Ing and Don Mikulecky are now friends

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]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1093/ <![CDATA[David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Econstories.tv Hayek vs. Keynes rap video provokes me to think. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/1/8929/21462 . I find the [...]]]> http://syscoi.com/commons/activity/p/1093/ Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:40:08 +0000 David Ing posted an update in the group Systemicists: Econstories.tv Hayek vs. Keynes rap video provokes me to think. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/1/8929/21462 . I find the Austrian school more systemic, and listen to http://econtalk.org regularly

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