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    Anthropology, evolution, ecosystems, planetary health, social physics, cognitive economics, collective intelligence and ….

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      Creating a flat HTML website using HTTrack is an approach I’ve used with my own web sites. (Maintaining old Wordpress and Drupal web sites requires maintenance in a way that flat HTML files don’t).

      I just tried to scrape a copy of model.report from the web onto my (Linux) computer. It could be that the robots.txt is deterring me from doing that. (I’m not really sure how the lobste.rs platform works).

      If I were provided with a flat file export of model.report, I could host that over at http://syscoi.com .

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        Notification emails always seem to arrive at opportune moments with interesting content. I, for one, would be sad to see this place disappear.

        As already suggested, a read-only archive shouldn’t be too bad a compromise, and I’m sure an additional round of feedback could be used to present solutions on how best to achieve that. I would guess a static archive from a site-crawler (e.g. HTTrack) with an upload to gh-pages could be the simplest option.

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          I have found the posts every useful and do refer to a lot of the material, though I do not post… it would be nice if model.report can continue, though I understand the concern on 12 active posters..

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            Yes, please keep the site!

            Thank you, Benjamin.

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              Yes, please keep the site!

              Thank you, Benjamin.


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              On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:34 AM, antlerboy-benjamintaylor < antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report> wrote:

              Hey all

              Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

              Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

              Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

              So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

              cheers

              Benjamin

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                I read at least 50% or more of the articles posted in detail. As a follower of Senge’s System Thinking and Complex Adaptive thinking around Dave Snowden’s work I find several of the articles quite enjoyable.

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                  Hi Benjamin I’m not a frequent user of this site (and acknowledge I’ve only just joined as a member - thanks). I have browsed it especially when interesting things have been notified by you in various FB / LinkedIn groups. The value for me is in the knowledge repository of ST so maintaining that would be a priority for me. I’m less concerned about the underlying platform, so a question from me would be whether there is something more robust and more usable that would do the job and could the current posts/responses be migrated.

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                    Hi Benjamin

                    Just because we don’t post on it doesn’t mean we don’t value it. I have saved every one of the email posts in an archive to delve into. I am about to design a home-made study curriculum on the science and application of complexity thinking in decision making (which kind of is my job anyway) but i am going into the science and psychology of it. Therefore your archive is essential.

                    Thanks and be sure not to delete it (at least until you find a way of sharing all of the resources in a pdf type “World of Knowledge”)

                    Kind regards

                    Michael

                    On 31 December 2017 at 13:34, antlerboy-benjamintaylor < antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report> wrote:

                    Hey all

                    Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                    Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                    Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                    So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                    cheers

                    Benjamin

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                      Yes, keep it please. Whilst I don’t read all the posts there are always posts that I find useful and thought provoking,

                      Regards

                      Frank

                      On 31 Dec 2017, at 13:34, antlerboy-benjamintaylor antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report wrote:

                      Hey all

                      Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                      Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                      Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                      So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                      cheers Benjamin

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                        Mammals survived when non-flying dinosaurs perished. Do not kill the 200 earth bound mammals just because you do not have the imagination that other features could be important than the numbers characterising the 1000000 earth bound dinosaurs.

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                          Do I want to keep model.report? Yes, very much. I don’t have time to read most of the posts, but I do scan them and once in a while follow a trail set down. Curation of content by knowledgeable people is intensely valuable. In whatever form model.report survives, I would like to support it.

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                            Hi Benjamin

                            Well I can see the dilemma - I am a recent reader - I think Jane Searles introduced me but it would be self-indulgent of me to urge you to save the site because I am not an active poster. I do value the work you have done and from it have created my own store of articles. I am now retired and so not a practitioner but I am still active in promoting systems thinking wherever I am in conversation and many of the articles you bring to attention are forwarded to my grandchildren in confirmation that there is an alternative view of the world and that I am not alone in protesting.

                            So I do hope you can save the site and I hope you get sufficient support from others who like myself read and digest but are not so active in posting

                            Kind regards

                            David

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                            On 31 December 2017 at 13:34, antlerboy-benjamintaylor < antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report> wrote:

                            Hey all

                            Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                            Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                            Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                            So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                            cheers

                            Benjamin

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                              Clearly, 200 users and 12 active posters isn’t much. This reflects the fact that it is terribly difficult to do something that satisfies all people who are somehow interested or involved in systems thinking. The field is simply too fragmented. Model report has some very active posters, especially Benjamin, who is sharing great stuff from the Internet, which helps us broaden our understanding of the field as a whole. I perfectly agree with Tom Hitchman who writes: “Even after some years, I scan, at least, every email from model.report, and still find things I spend more time on” and “really value that there is a living growing depository here and would very much like it to continue.” I have been involved with online depositories myself and clearly Model report is among the most effective and best run that I know of.

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                                Hello Ben,

                                Happy New Year.

                                I rarely use the Model.Report site directly, but I do read (and sometimes save) individual email posts. More often than not these are from ‘Antler Boy’.

                                It seems a waste to delete the site. I’d like to see it archived, at least. Maybe through the ‘Way Back When’ internet archive?

                                Regards,

                                Colston Sanger

                                At 13:34 31/12/2017, you wrote:

                                Hey all=0D =0D Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site. =0D Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago. =0D Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps. =0D So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond! =0D cheers=0D Benjamin

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                                  In short, this seems similar to a question of whether or not to keep libraries given that most folks don’t use them. However, as a repository of historic and accumulated knowledge, such archiving is critical to ‘holding the potential’ that potentiates more…and, for me, this is what model.report potentiates for the future of systems thinking (even if I don’t ‘post’ to it; I do gain from it).

                                  On Dec 31, 2017, at 5:34 AM, antlerboy-benjamintaylor antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report wrote:

                                  Hey all

                                  Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                  Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                  Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                  So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                  cheers Benjamin

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                                    Hi Benjamin,

                                    I find your site very useful, especially for students to assist them in navigating the landscape… so I would love to see is retained.

                                    Kind Regards, Peter

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                                    Hey all

                                    Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                    Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                    Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                    So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                    cheers

                                    Benjamin

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                                      Hi Benjamin Please don’t delete the site. Yes, I understand most of the active posts are from only a handful of people, but as a reader, I love reading every post. In fact, I crave everyday to read the posts.
                                      If the intention is to increase the participation or to make it financially sustainable, a discussion might be worhwhile among us. Deleting such a wonderful site is not the solution, I think.

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                                        Scott Forman-Roe has explained that it’s not a question of money, just time and that he doesn’t interact with the code regularly. So the bug that caused him to ask the question has been ‘fixed’, but he didn’t get to the root cause and does not have time to do so. There are some good suggestions in the responses - thanks! (And a gratifying number of them) so let’s collectively have a think about future alternatives. But, code allowing, the site won’t go away tomorrow, and will ‘continue on autopilot’ as long as it does… Happy new year, all!

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                                          John Raven said:

                                          The answer is “YES”

                                          While I read only a tiny fraction of the posts, every so often one of the titles catches my eye and I have been very pleased to read them.

                                          I might comment more often if I could remember how to do so … and how to find posts that I know are there. I do have the necessary instructions written down somewhere … but finding them requires some effort.

                                          In contrast, I find the Linkedin site impossible and NEVER go there. For a start I have to find the instructions on how to do so!

                                          But there is always a dilemma. I cannot cope with most of the entries people try to send me and filter them out at SPAMARREST. And I do not have the time to check out the websites of all the organisations I belong to … so it never gets done and I miss all sorts of things that I ought to know about.

                                          So I am heavily dependent on 4 or 5 real people who act as gatekeepers for the information that reaches me.

                                          Model Report posts are posted to a special inbox which opens automatically when there are new posts … so the titles appear on the screen before I close the box … and remain there for future reference until I delete them individually.

                                          So. Yes. It suits me. But, then, I’m not into media … even newspapers.

                                          Best wishes,

                                          John