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Hey all

Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

cheers Benjamin

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    Occasional lurker here. I understand the desire to put an end to something that is high-maintenance whilst not generating much ‘return’; it’s very easy as a bystander to say ‘keep it’, but that still requires the problem(s) to be solved.

    On that basis, and understanding that there’s a desire to keep something of a resource going, I’d at least suggest moving to a third-party hosted platform, retaining the same kind of functionality. My preference would be to set up a sub-reddit on Reddit. It’s easy to do, easy to maintain/moderate, and it might have the side benefit of encouraging the growth of a relevant, participating community. In the meantime, mothball Model.report and redirect it to the sub-reddit. If, at a later date, the community feels it’s appropriate to return to a self-hosted platform that is more sustainable, it’s ready to go.

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      Hi Benjamin, I noticed the ‘deprecation’ message this morning before your email arrived and I wondered. I agree with Aidan that we need to keep this repository intact and let it continue to grow. I agree with Gene, to some extent, about the creative power of destruction as long we are confident that the next cycle will thrive on the nutrients of the old and substantially improve what we have - if not why destroy old institutions? (I live in a village with a community hall built over 500 years ago, it is impossible to build anything now that could replace that - its quality comes from being that old). Anyway, back to your question: please keep the quality of Model.Report, change what needs changing, let me know if I can help with anything: new platform, finance … Best wishes Ian

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        Even after some years, I scan, at least, every email from model.report, and still find things I spend more time on.

        At a time when there are all manner of ways to contact others online I really value the feelings of belonging and community generated in me when I see an MR post from somebody I know offline. Rare these days.

        Personally I don’t have time to research things nowadays so not posting but really value that there is a living growing depository here and would very much like it to continue.

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          So “get more involved with model report” and “read some of the interesting links emailed from model report” are on my to-do list, but admittedly below some more urgent things like “find a new career” etc. So I’m very much still a lurker. All the same I’d like to see the place survive, if nothing else it could be archived in some read-only form. You, Benjamin, in particular have collected a real swathe of stuff that it would be sad to lose.

          I’m no expert in forum software, but I’m certainly up to put some effort in to preserve it. I can make a limited financial contribution too.

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            The value / purpose of MR? I can’t put it better than Henry Miller:

            “What are we here for if not to enjoy life eternal, solve what problems we can, give light, peace and joy to our fellow-man, and leave this dear fucked-up planet a little healthier than when we were born.”

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              This is an important site where a lot of system thinking is going on and it is alive and kicking. It is therefore a viable system and no ‘dictator ( sorry Gene :-) ) should kill it because of the numbers Ton van Rheenen

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                I don’t often use the repository but I very often read things posted to Model.Report. Happy with any solution that keeps that intact.

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                  I’m for keeping it. And if kept, I’d support some identity change. Although I’ve used a lot of modeling and simulation, when posting here I had to overcone my aversion to seeing these in the title. And then not being able to add it as a channel on Buffer requires additional effort. Still, ironically it seems I’m among the top contributors.

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                    I like this site. The number of members didn’t appear on my success criteria. I often find useful things here. I guess it depends on how much work Scott needs to do to keep the members happy?

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                      Benjamin, all. I would strongly support keeping this together somehow. I am an “active lurker” here - I scan many of the posts, read some in depth, and keep meaning to work out how to “mine” stored content. I think you’ve put together a uniquely useful resource here which would otherwise be hiding as a private library somewhere.

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                        Hi Benjamin, Whilst I do not access it frequently, I really value reading the posts as they arrive and knowing that they are there if I want to find them again. Please keep it.

                        Regards,

                        Jane

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                        Hey allScott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site. Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago. Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps. So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond! cheersBenjamin

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                          Hi,

                          I think model report is a very valuable resource. I have had a lot of students ask me this year for access to such a resource and I know I find some of the very valuable. I do think, however, that we could have something that is easier to navigate so that more people would engage (although I don’t know what that is just yet).

                          I’m not an IT person so couldn’t develop the site myself to make it more user friendly but I’m willing to put some time into considering how we can keep this going and make it more user friendly.

                          I am happy to put time in to organising and maintaining as long as it is within my IT capabilities

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                          Hey all

                          Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                          Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                          Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                          So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                          cheers

                          Benjamin

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                            Hi Ben,

                            I would like to keep my own contributions to it, and maybe a few others. I’ll collect them sometime today and move them to another venue–maybe diigo. that’s where Gene keeps his info.

                            Thanks,

                            Edythe

                            On Dec 31, 2017, at 7:34 AM, antlerboy-benjamintaylor antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report wrote:

                            Hey all

                            Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                            Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                            Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                            So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                            cheers Benjamin

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                              I would like to keep it. Happy New Year Jytte

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                              Hey allScott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site. Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago. Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps. So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond! cheersBenjamin

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                                Hello guys!

                                I do appreciate your efforts in keeping the site live and spreading the knowledge. This is the great thing to do and I admire your work.

                                It would be pitiful if the site dies.

                                Despite the low number of active posters, there is the great number of readers and I am sure your work has its followers and adepts.

                                Happy New Year and warmest regards, Vladimir Frolov

                                2017-12-31 19:34 GMT+06:00 antlerboy-benjamintaylor antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report:

                                Hey all

                                Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                cheers

                                Benjamin

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                                  I haven’t posted much here, but I do read every email and some of the articles, and I occasionally go back to old articles. I love that there’s a repository. If the site is a hassle for Scott, is there some other venue we can use that’s easier? I don’t want to lose the articles.

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                                    Benjamin

                                    Yours is one of the most valuable ‘reads’ around, for my money. I routinely share this intell with my business partners and the work you bring to light has had a first-class impact on our own IP development (our stealth startup is iceboxlogic.media http://www.iceboxlogic.media/)

                                    See attached for a present project proposal in queue much influenced by this feed in particular.

                                    Your work is on-target. LMK what next steps you foresee. Thanks.

                                    onward cheerio

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                                    On Dec 31, 2017, at 8:34 AM, antlerboy-benjamintaylor antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report wrote:

                                    Hey all

                                    Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                    Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                    Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                    So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                    cheers Benjamin

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                                      I am actually on the filtering and reading end what you are writing, participating as a consumer rather than a producer, but still interested and involved.

                                      I think looking at user count is a very poor metric for what this is. It makes more sense to think about the geographic span of communication among those 200 people in terms of what"the internet" is helping to accomplish here.

                                      I’m curious exactly what issues Scott may be having, and whether there is a way to address whatever problem exists in some other manner rather than deletion.

                                      On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:34 AM, antlerboy-benjamintaylor < antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report> wrote:

                                      Hey all

                                      Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                      Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                      Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                      So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                      cheers

                                      Benjamin

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                                        Curt McNamara said:

                                        I don’t really understand it, however follow through most of the links i see on fb. About 10% of those get used by me or an associate in our teaching, so it has a bigger impact than you can see. I am willing to make a contribution if that helps.

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                                          Scott Forman-Roe has explained that it’s not a question of money, just time and that he doesn’t interact with the code regularly. So the bug that caused him to ask the question has been ‘fixed’, but he didn’t get to the root cause and does not have time to do so. There are some good suggestions in the responses - thanks! (And a gratifying number of them) so let’s collectively have a think about future alternatives. But, code allowing, the site won’t go away tomorrow, and will ‘continue on autopilot’ as long as it does… Happy new year, all!

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                                            Hi Benjamin Please don’t delete the site. Yes, I understand most of the active posts are from only a handful of people, but as a reader, I love reading every post. In fact, I crave everyday to read the posts.
                                            If the intention is to increase the participation or to make it financially sustainable, a discussion might be worhwhile among us. Deleting such a wonderful site is not the solution, I think.

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                                              Hi Benjamin,

                                              I find your site very useful, especially for students to assist them in navigating the landscape… so I would love to see is retained.

                                              Kind Regards, Peter

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                                              Hey all

                                              Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                              Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                              Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                              So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                              cheers

                                              Benjamin

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                                                In short, this seems similar to a question of whether or not to keep libraries given that most folks don’t use them. However, as a repository of historic and accumulated knowledge, such archiving is critical to ‘holding the potential’ that potentiates more…and, for me, this is what model.report potentiates for the future of systems thinking (even if I don’t ‘post’ to it; I do gain from it).

                                                On Dec 31, 2017, at 5:34 AM, antlerboy-benjamintaylor antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report wrote:

                                                Hey all

                                                Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                                Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                                Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                                So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                                cheers Benjamin

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                                                  Hello Ben,

                                                  Happy New Year.

                                                  I rarely use the Model.Report site directly, but I do read (and sometimes save) individual email posts. More often than not these are from ‘Antler Boy’.

                                                  It seems a waste to delete the site. I’d like to see it archived, at least. Maybe through the ‘Way Back When’ internet archive?

                                                  Regards,

                                                  Colston Sanger

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                                                  Hey all=0D =0D Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site. =0D Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago. =0D Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps. =0D So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond! =0D cheers=0D Benjamin

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                                                    Clearly, 200 users and 12 active posters isn’t much. This reflects the fact that it is terribly difficult to do something that satisfies all people who are somehow interested or involved in systems thinking. The field is simply too fragmented. Model report has some very active posters, especially Benjamin, who is sharing great stuff from the Internet, which helps us broaden our understanding of the field as a whole. I perfectly agree with Tom Hitchman who writes: “Even after some years, I scan, at least, every email from model.report, and still find things I spend more time on” and “really value that there is a living growing depository here and would very much like it to continue.” I have been involved with online depositories myself and clearly Model report is among the most effective and best run that I know of.

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                                                      Hi Benjamin

                                                      Well I can see the dilemma - I am a recent reader - I think Jane Searles introduced me but it would be self-indulgent of me to urge you to save the site because I am not an active poster. I do value the work you have done and from it have created my own store of articles. I am now retired and so not a practitioner but I am still active in promoting systems thinking wherever I am in conversation and many of the articles you bring to attention are forwarded to my grandchildren in confirmation that there is an alternative view of the world and that I am not alone in protesting.

                                                      So I do hope you can save the site and I hope you get sufficient support from others who like myself read and digest but are not so active in posting

                                                      Kind regards

                                                      David

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                                                      On 31 December 2017 at 13:34, antlerboy-benjamintaylor < antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report> wrote:

                                                      Hey all

                                                      Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                                      Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                                      Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                                      So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                                      cheers

                                                      Benjamin

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                                                        Do I want to keep model.report? Yes, very much. I don’t have time to read most of the posts, but I do scan them and once in a while follow a trail set down. Curation of content by knowledgeable people is intensely valuable. In whatever form model.report survives, I would like to support it.

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                                                          Mammals survived when non-flying dinosaurs perished. Do not kill the 200 earth bound mammals just because you do not have the imagination that other features could be important than the numbers characterising the 1000000 earth bound dinosaurs.

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                                                            Yes, keep it please. Whilst I don’t read all the posts there are always posts that I find useful and thought provoking,

                                                            Regards

                                                            Frank

                                                            On 31 Dec 2017, at 13:34, antlerboy-benjamintaylor antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report wrote:

                                                            Hey all

                                                            Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                                            Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                                            Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                                            So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                                            cheers Benjamin

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                                                              Hi Benjamin

                                                              Just because we don’t post on it doesn’t mean we don’t value it. I have saved every one of the email posts in an archive to delve into. I am about to design a home-made study curriculum on the science and application of complexity thinking in decision making (which kind of is my job anyway) but i am going into the science and psychology of it. Therefore your archive is essential.

                                                              Thanks and be sure not to delete it (at least until you find a way of sharing all of the resources in a pdf type “World of Knowledge”)

                                                              Kind regards

                                                              Michael

                                                              On 31 December 2017 at 13:34, antlerboy-benjamintaylor < antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report> wrote:

                                                              Hey all

                                                              Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                                              Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                                              Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                                              So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                                              cheers

                                                              Benjamin

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                                                                If you aren’t a member to comment here, you can: a) email benjamin.taylor@redquadrant.com to express support and/or join b) request to be added at https://model.report/invitations/request and I will add you

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                                                                  David Steare said:

                                                                  I hope model.report or a successor continues to provide much needed up to date and historical learning resources for learning about systems thinking. Like many people, the more I learn the more I realise how much more I need to learn.

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                                                                    Jonlo Prim said:

                                                                    Even though i’ve never replied or posted to model.report - I do clink on the links to it here and go read it.

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                                                                      John Raven said:

                                                                      The answer is “YES”

                                                                      While I read only a tiny fraction of the posts, every so often one of the titles catches my eye and I have been very pleased to read them.

                                                                      I might comment more often if I could remember how to do so … and how to find posts that I know are there. I do have the necessary instructions written down somewhere … but finding them requires some effort.

                                                                      In contrast, I find the Linkedin site impossible and NEVER go there. For a start I have to find the instructions on how to do so!

                                                                      But there is always a dilemma. I cannot cope with most of the entries people try to send me and filter them out at SPAMARREST. And I do not have the time to check out the websites of all the organisations I belong to … so it never gets done and I miss all sorts of things that I ought to know about.

                                                                      So I am heavily dependent on 4 or 5 real people who act as gatekeepers for the information that reaches me.

                                                                      Model Report posts are posted to a special inbox which opens automatically when there are new posts … so the titles appear on the screen before I close the box … and remain there for future reference until I delete them individually.

                                                                      So. Yes. It suits me. But, then, I’m not into media … even newspapers.

                                                                      Best wishes,

                                                                      John

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                                                                        Hi Benjamin I’m not a frequent user of this site (and acknowledge I’ve only just joined as a member - thanks). I have browsed it especially when interesting things have been notified by you in various FB / LinkedIn groups. The value for me is in the knowledge repository of ST so maintaining that would be a priority for me. I’m less concerned about the underlying platform, so a question from me would be whether there is something more robust and more usable that would do the job and could the current posts/responses be migrated.

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                                                                          I read at least 50% or more of the articles posted in detail. As a follower of Senge’s System Thinking and Complex Adaptive thinking around Dave Snowden’s work I find several of the articles quite enjoyable.

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                                                                            Yes, please keep the site!

                                                                            Thank you, Benjamin.


                                                                            James Milo Founder, 21st Century Expert https://www.21stCenturyExpert.com


                                                                            On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:34 AM, antlerboy-benjamintaylor < antlerboy-benjamintaylor@model.report> wrote:

                                                                            Hey all

                                                                            Scott, who runs model.report, has had some data problems. The site is a hassle for him and therefore, he proposed to Gene Bellinger and myself that he delete it. That’s the reason for the ‘model report is deprecated’ message that you may see if you come to the site.

                                                                            Natually, Gene (who sees, I think, the creative power of destruction) is in favour of deleting the site - he makes the point there are c200 users and <12 active posters, which I agree, in the scale of the internet, is small potatoes. He deleted his own account and therefore his c200 posts and responses on here some time ago.

                                                                            Natually, I, who am somewhat resistant to destruction, and have invested quite a bit of time building this as a repository of all forms of systems thinking, would like to keep the site. I’m prepared to find some ways to help with that effort (financial, organisational, whatever) if it helps.

                                                                            So, while I would like to keep the site regardless, Gene has challenged me to prove that others want to keep it to. So, if you do, please respond!

                                                                            cheers

                                                                            Benjamin

                                                                            Vote: https://model.report/s/4yxsfr

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                                                                              Yes, please keep the site!

                                                                              Thank you, Benjamin.

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                                                                                I have found the posts every useful and do refer to a lot of the material, though I do not post… it would be nice if model.report can continue, though I understand the concern on 12 active posters..

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                                                                                  Notification emails always seem to arrive at opportune moments with interesting content. I, for one, would be sad to see this place disappear.

                                                                                  As already suggested, a read-only archive shouldn’t be too bad a compromise, and I’m sure an additional round of feedback could be used to present solutions on how best to achieve that. I would guess a static archive from a site-crawler (e.g. HTTrack) with an upload to gh-pages could be the simplest option.

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                                                                                    Creating a flat HTML website using HTTrack is an approach I’ve used with my own web sites. (Maintaining old Wordpress and Drupal web sites requires maintenance in a way that flat HTML files don’t).

                                                                                    I just tried to scrape a copy of model.report from the web onto my (Linux) computer. It could be that the robots.txt is deterring me from doing that. (I’m not really sure how the lobste.rs platform works).

                                                                                    If I were provided with a flat file export of model.report, I could host that over at http://syscoi.com .